My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton!

Today my husband Jake, a longtime Obama supporter (you should hear some of the trash talk in our house this campaign season), came home from work and said to me, "Honey, listen up, because it pains me to say it, and I'm only saying it once. I have to vote for Hillary."

Holy cow! I think that's fantastic news for me and for Clinton and her supporters! His reasoning is that Obama has stumbled enough since his stunning February to demonstrate that he is the political amateur I've been telling Jake he is, and that this election is too important to take chances with. He's knows Hillary can win against McCain. He feels he'd be taking a bet with Obama. He's a gambling man, but he likes to win, so he chooses his wagers very carefully. More on his reasoning (and a look inside a candidate-split marriage) below the fold.

When this whole thing started out, Jake leaned Obama and I liked them both, but supported Clinton ultimately on the basis of identity. I was all about the glass ceiling, and I wasn't bothered by whose ceiling it was, AAs or women. Jake was a Nader voter in 2000 and (I'm ashamed to say it) 2004. I have voted Democrat in every election since I was able to vote, beginning in 1990. I cast my first presidential vote for a winner--Bill Clinton--in 1992 and never looked back.

Now Jake and I have had political disagreements in the past. He claims his vote for Nader was in response to feeling as if there was little difference between Dems and Reps. After 8 years of Bush, he now understands what I've understood all along, which is that the problem with this country is not about two out-of-touch parties, it's about one underhanded, untrustworthy party--the Republican Party--taking unfair advantage and playing some very underhanded, sometimes illegal games. He is also aware, as so many liberal-leaners aren't, that Democrats are infinitely better with the economy that Republicans. Before Jake met me, he didn't know that Bill Clinton was the only  president in fifty years to actually balance the budget and give us numbers in the black. In a sea of red going back as far as FDR, there are only six black years--all of them under Clinton.

Our early conversations revolved around him asking me how I could support that dishonest woman, and me asking him how he could not respect the work she had done, and was he not aware that, modernity be damned, this was how women broke ceilings in American politics--by following their husbands. Every first for women in national elected office in America has been the wife of a male politician. It may offend your modern sensibilities, but I call it tradition, and I don't have a problem with it at all, especially when the spouses are two such intelligent, thoughtful people as Bill and Hillary Clinton. By mid-February, Jake was deep into the Obamaverse. I never attacked Obama in those days because I still liked him. I offered up vague feelings of insecurity about him being too marketed and inexperienced.

But I was put off by Obama's constant chastising of the ranks of the left for our lack of public expressions of faith, or opposition to Republicans, Supreme Court nominees, etc. I'd seen him do this for a couple of years and resented some newcomer coming in, making false arguments about how Dems and Reps were equally to blame. I knew this argument would resonate with low-info voters like my mother, and I knew it was a lie. But I kept my mouth shut, because the people in my life are diverse, and I want everyone to feel like they're making progress and casting a blow against the white male power structure. You have no idea how many people I "talked up" Obama too in those days--one of my best friends and my sister, for the sake of their  bi-racial children, my black friends, most of whom seem politically uninterested still, my daughter (still an Obama supporter) and more.

Right before SC, things changed for me. Once the Jackson Memo was captured in the news, I knew what I was suspecting was right on--the Obama campaign was race-baiting, and denigrating the Clintons in the process. Jake didn't see it at first, but after all of this Wright nonsense, he sees it now. He sees that Obama isn't post-racial, or post-political. He thinks Obama should have known about Wright and done something about all of this earlier, before Philly, even. The "bitter" controversy didn't help. Jake knows these things are deal-beakers come November. Looking back, he sees how a lot of things about Obama are indeed "fairytale." Jake says Obama didn't have enough experience, so he got caught in a web of his own making.

Jake still believes that the basis for Obama's campaign and rhetoric--the idea that we need to make some progress in the political realm--was authentic, but he doesn't think Obama is the one to deliver it anymore. At least not right now. He hopes (and I do too) that Obama runs again, but he can't support him right now. He saw what Republicans did to Gore, who, he now agrees, was the greatest missed opportunity of a president since RFK, and what they did to Kerry, and he sees how easily they could do it to Obama now. He thinks Hillary can win that fight, and he's seen her take on some tough opponents lately. I know it's only one vote, but it's a victory for me personally, and another drop in the Hoosier bucket for the next POTUS, Madame President Hillary Clinton.



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Tips for Jake! (2.00 / 28)

And for happy marriages. :-)


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:23:09 PM EST

Very truthy. (none / 0)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:09:07 PM EST
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Re: Very truthy. (none / 0)

yeah this is the most honest thing I ever read

I mean come on


President-elect Barack Obama spent the day thanking the people who helped him win the election. Obama's first phone call was to Sarah Palin.
by wellinformed on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:53:26 AM EST
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My dog was a big time Obama supporter. (none / 0)

But while I was taking him for his daily walk, he confided in me that he was going switch to Hillary, because he though Obama was phony, unelectable and not enough of a fighter.

I was taken aback by this bold statement, as it was the first time my dog had ever spoken to me.  I wasn't at all surprised though that such a smart dog would naturally support Hillary.

My dog said Hillary is very presidential, courageous, and honest.  He felt she was a mixture of JFK, Abraham Lincoln, FDR and Joan Crawford, which is exactly what we need in this day in age.

Tips for Fido.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:17:48 AM EST
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Hurray for you and Jake.


by Jjc2008 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:37:42 PM EST
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Re: Tips for Jake! (2.00 / 7)

I laughed when I saw your headline as I wondered if you had more husbands in other states and how they might vote.

Great diary!


by Tolstoy on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:46:22 PM EST
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Thanks for this beautiful diary.  Rec'd and tip'd!


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:18:08 PM EST
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jake's a smart man- after all, look who he married ;-)


by campskunk on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:27:27 PM EST

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The unmarried Obama fans are quite happy to throw the dice. It's amazing given the way things are developing although in fairness I tbink we need to see how next week plays out. If he has a bad week these guys at least need to get the emotive specs (and we all have them for god's sake) and ask themselves a few objective questions. They may, not likely at least the ones here, but there may be some reassessent.  


by ottovbvs on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:28:57 PM EST

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actually I am married, my wife cannot stand Hillary.

so it different for each person.


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:30:32 PM EST
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That may be true but in the context of female voting patterns it's not very relevant is it. She consistently pulls 55%+ of the female vote.


by ottovbvs on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:17:51 PM EST
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It isn't just because she's a woman (none / 0)

It's because she is THIS woman. Other women have run for President and some of them were likely well qualified. But they never got that percentage of the female vote.

I think Hillary gets that vote because she is this particular woman in much the same way that Barack gets the AA vote not just because he is a black man but because he is THIS black man.

What a unique and wonderful election choice, really. We should be savoring it instead of ripping each other apart. We may not see its like again in our lifetimes.


by Swedie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:47:06 PM EST
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As such... (none / 0)

she consistently doesn't get 45% of the female vote, right?


by alb on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:43:07 PM EST
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I'm engage and my soon to be wife-a devout liberal, environmentalist (vegetarian) cannot stand Hillary.


by mefck on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:53:03 PM EST
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Yea yea, I have heard men "bragging" on how their wives hate Hillary.  I have met some elitist women who cannot stand that "b*tch"(their words, not mine).

I think it is sad when women still engage in the 1950s mentality of "I can't stand...."

But whatever, at least they are making their husbands proud.


by Jjc2008 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:39:45 PM EST
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RE: about hillary

hey, if the shoe fits...


by brettjay on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:10:25 PM EST
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I don't really understand what your post is saying. I constantly meet intelligent, upstanding people who dislike (or even despise) Hillary. In my entire cirle of Democratic friends, colleagues, contacts, whatever, I have not found a single person who prefers Hillary to Obama.

People just can't stand slick, sleazy politicians anymore and there is absolutely no way she can escape that reputation. You know what her baggage is just as much as I do - I don't have to explain it to you. Part of the reason for Obama's massive popularity is simply because he's not Hillary Clinton.

You can be darn sure that if HRC is the Dem. candidate this fall that I will pull the lever for her but it will be another political "mini-death" for me - the death of hope for something to actually change in Washington...the hope that progressive solutions could finally make a small yet significant foothold in Washington.  And the realization will set in that nothing will ever really change for the better in Washington.


by desertjedi on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:55:00 PM EST
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I am of the same experience.  Except out of the 100 politically active Democratic friends/colleagues I have maybe 10 that are pro-Obama.

He's too elitest, or inexperienced or too stand-off-ish.  He doesn't have a plan, and when he does, it's the mirror-image of Hillary's with a little more money or time thrown in.  He can't handle hard, glaring heat, and wilts like a lilly under scrutiny.  And some just can't stand his negative-spin/campaigning.

If he is the candidate, I will not actively denigrate or harangue his candidacy.  And I will pull the lever for him (I'm legally obligated as a  Democratic Party member), mainly b/c we can not afford more of the same.  But I will not campaign for him or actively support his candidacy, either.  However, I fear for my country.  Can we expect more O.J.T. to get him up to speed?  How far will he go with the creationists?  How far will he go with the office of faith based inititives?  Will he ever put actions his words, or will he fail like most politically novice legislators to make a difference, and get steam-rolled by his own party?  Can he help down-ticket races?  These are but a few of my worries.

And this is why I support Hillary Clinton.  I know she'll get the job done, and is why I hope she does well in the upcoming primaries.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:56:00 PM EST
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And my experience is the same as yours, but my friends are about 95% for Obama.  

It's quite telling when most of what I've heard/read from Hillary supports are the same talking points that the Hillary campaign releases.  It's reflected in the posts here at myDD.  Many of the threads lack much substance and simply parrot Hillary talking points.  Do you know why Hillary gets attacked as being a Republican?  Part of the reason is because of this similarity to the Republicans -- they can only repeat Bush Admin.Fox News talking points.    

On the other hand, diary threads at the Daily Kos express much more thoughtful, unique, and creative discussions.  Creative shows such as the Daily Show and Real Time w Bill Maher host crowds that are clearly pro-Obama.  They don't simply parrot Obama campaign talking points -- they offer new insight into American and World issues.  

TxDem, I appreciate the fact that you see the bigger picture and will vote for whoever emerges from the Dem primary (as will I), but parroting these talking points (he's an elitist, inexperienced, wilts under scrutiny) willfully ignores the facts, many of which falsely accuse Obama of the very things that Hillary herself is guilty of.  


by froggyman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:12:56 PM EST
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I'm sorry but I and a whole host of others vehemently disagree with you.  

Before we start casting aspersions upon who is being a Republican I will point out that only one candidate has used an actual Republican attack ad against the other.  Only one candidate then defended that ad as "part of the process of politics".  Those points may mirror in a minor way the thoughts of the Clinton campaign, however, they are well and truely the thoughts of not only voters...but party members.  And the reason she get's attacked as a Republican, is because those attacking her can't enlist valid arguments to combat reasoned rationale discourse.

And you're reasoning, is systemic of the recent fall of Obama and the realization of the MSM and others that Obama is detached and elitist.  He and those following his campaign don't even recognize their willful and complete obfuscation of the meaning and depth of their views and comments.  It's almost as if they don't have that self-editing button, before stuff just pops out of their mouths(fingers).

And I should point out while we're on the subject...if you think DK is much better and there are better diaries there...then by all means please return there and enjoy.

However, if you wish to stay and want to discuss issues and policy, then by all means let's engage.  


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:34:54 AM EST
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She'll get the job done? What in her political career, either by herself in the senate or as first lady with Bill Clinton, has she or the Clintons together shown they will fight for other than themselves?


by Yalin on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:26:07 PM EST
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Again, Obama supporters need more facts?  Does the internet not have a search feature?

Ok, let's rattle some off:

Children's Healthcare

Universal Healthcare

Student Loan programs

Banning assault weapons

The Brady bill

Expanding day care/Parental Day Care

FMLA

Is that enough, or do your sensibilities have a specific number in mind?


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:38:53 AM EST
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1) Children's Healthcare: I'm assuming you're referring to SCHIP? The plan that Orrin Hatch and Ted Kennedy passed while she was first lady and had no influence?

The plan that she voted to continue when she got to the Senate?

Again, what did she fight for?

2) Universal Healthcare: Her plan was an abysmal failure and set back UH for at least 15 years. When the politics got tough they turned tail and ran.

3) Student Loan Programs: What exactly did she 'fight' for?

4) Assault Weapons Ban: It passed in 1994, with a democratic congress, when Hillary Clinton was First Lady. Just what did she fight for?

5) The Brady Bill: This passed in 1993 with a democratic congress. Again, Hillary Clinton was FIRST LADY.

Just what exactly has SHE fought for?

6) Expanding day care/Parental Day Care: When was this passed, and what did she do?

7) FMLA: This is the epitome of reaching, and is an apropos ending to your list.

It was passed and signed into law in February 1993, not even ONE MONTH after Bill Clinton was sworn into office.

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"Is that enough, or do your sensibilities have a specific number in mind?"

As I've just shown, you've provided no information whatsoever. Please try again.


by Yalin on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:07:20 PM EST
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I'm a woman, not an elitist, and I think Hillary is dangerous.


by grasshopper on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:43:12 PM EST
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Why?


by Swedie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:57:02 PM EST
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Because she, like Bush, is willing to do anything to get her way.  And for her, it doesn't matter what experts say.  It doesn't matter what's best for all.  She'll lie, er, "misstate" things, change rules, spread false information, use Rove-like attacks against fellow Democrats, hypocritically accuse her opponents of thing she herself is guilty of, play the gender-card while attacking Obama if he gets close to using the race-card, etc.


by froggyman on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:17:16 PM EST
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All of these things could be said about Obama as well; it wouldn't make them all true, but they could be (and probably have been) said. Some people would quite uncritically believe it.

What you have said is inaccurate. It is, in fact, identical to what the right wing and MSM have been saying about her (and Bill) since the early '90s. Unfortunately, if you tell a lie often enough it is accepted as truth and it is sad to see Democrats feeding at the destroy-Hillary trough when she has dedicated her adult life to Democratic principles and fighting for human rights.

Since you seem to actually believe those things you said I doubt anyone or any showing of fact would change your mind, so I will leave you to your beliefs.

I do wish more Democrats (for both Obama and Hillary) could support their own candidate without hating and trashing the other candidate, though. It's so unproductive.


by Swedie on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:56:59 PM EST
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I won't leave you to your beliefs, because you're simply repeating unsubstantiated allegations.  With the exception of the "misstatement" about Bosnia (to which there are similar Obama misstatements), not one of your points has any merit whatsoever.

Exactly what justifies your belief that she will do anything to get her way?

What rules has she changed?  What false information has she spread?  What Rove-like attacks have been used by her campaign?  What has she done that's hypocritical?

The fact is, you just don't like her.  But she has hardly done anything different than Obama.


by slynch on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:30:48 PM EST
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I could come up with multiple examples, but I'll provide one for each of my four accusations which you have posed as questions:

(1) What rules has she changed?  

-She's trying to seat FL and MI after she agreed that they didn't count.  
Source: http://www.slate.com/id/2188985/pagenum/ all/

(2) What false information has she spread?

-She's spread false information ever since this campaign began.  One example took place all the way back during the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries.  In those places, she attacked Obama for being weak on choice.  However, Obama is stronger on choice than Hillary.  Hillary In fact, Obama receives 100% from NARAL.  
A source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8i Js

(3) What Rove-like attacks have been used by her campaign?

Her campaign has been sending out attacks against Obama to influential people in the media and SDs.  Some of these attacks have come from far right-wing media outlets.  

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-drei er/sidney-blumenthal-uses-fo_b_99695.htm l

(4) What has she done that's hypocritical?

All of the above things are examples of Hillary's hypocrisy.  

This woman voted for the war.  She receives more campaign contributions from the defense industry, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and lobbyists than either McCain or Obama.  She's pushing a repeal of the gas tax over the summer, even though all non-political experts and all the leaders of the Democrat party say it' a dumb idea.  She said we'll "obliterate" Iran -- not a very diplomatic way to deal with the strongest country in the Middle East.

Truth is, this country has been on the wrong track for a while.  Washington needs to change just like Mr. Obama would like to do.  Obama not only draws people to the party, he inspires people to act.  Please don't not vote for him come November because he has things in his closet that you don't like.  We all have things in our closets and his dirty secrets have all been exposed and aren't really all that dirty.  Even if you're not sure, have hope... He's gonna make you proud someday.    


by froggyman on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:39:57 AM EST
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Well...my, my.  I guess we know now that grasshopper and froggyman are one in the same.

Obama doesn't lie?-Rezko

Obama doesn't mis-state things?-Bitter  

Obama doesn't spread false information?-NAFTA flyer  

Obama doesn't use Rove attacks?-Used a Republican attack almost verbatim against another Democratic candidate for President!  

Obama and his campaign didn't accuse Hillary & Bill of playing the race card?-Katrina tears..  LBJ?  Memo to use race-baiting attacks.

REVEREND WRIGHT????!!!!!!!

Yeah, I guess it doesn't matter what experts say...you'll find a way to try and blame Hillary.  But that's all right.  She will win anyway, and she will take us all the way.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:46:12 AM EST
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how about you do two things to substantiate the nonsense you write?

1. show what specific things she did for each accusation you make

2. Show me that the savior or his campaign didnt do any of those things you accuse clinton of

3. find specific dates these actions from either campaigns were done at

4. And then show that hillary was the first one to engage in the acts you accuse her of in this campaign, before her rival.

Im not holding my breath waiting for you to do any of this. But pls much more thoughtful unique and creative discussions in DKOS? you really need the detox that the reporters who went to Obama events said they needed. Are you referring to the same DKOS where the obama crowd was caught doing co-ordination of ratings abuse? Now we know how objective you are?

As far as delivering the talking points, irony is apparently not a word that is familiar to you. All you ended up doing in reply to the question of why she was dangerous is precisely delivering talking points. Jeez!! Now if you could go and substantiate what you said (not using DKOS talking points, but actual quotes and statements) that would be good for a change


by pdxarch on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:39:05 AM EST
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Clinton's vote for the Iraq war was irresponsible. Only congress can declare War. This is part of the brilliant system of checks and balances we have built in to maintain our fragile democracy. Voting for the Iraq war resolution was not just short-sighted for all the reasons we keep hearing about, it was a shirking off of this very grave responsibility and handing unprecedented authority to George W. Bush. That's dangerous. Also, I don't understand a person who can recall her life and the life of her only child being threatened under sniper fire, fondly, with a smile. The lie didn't bother me as much as the way it was delivered. Dangerous. And lastly, the comment Hillary made regarding Iran was horrifying. The people of Iran are currently not in a position to speak for themselves or speak out against their government. Imagine how terrifying it might be to hear from someone who is in a position to possibly become the next leader of the only country that has actually ever used a nuclear weapon, threaten to wipe your people, your family from existence. THis remark was so dangerous that today, the ambassador to Iran filed a formal complaint to the UN in protest of Clinton's remarks.


by grasshopper on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:40:13 PM EST
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Hillary is more elitist than anyone in the race still...

"Thank God for rich people"- Hillary Clinton on BillO's show last night.

If I were an elitist, I'd sure as hell support her.  She is more in bed with lobbyists and special interest than Obama could ever be.


by broncoelway on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:24:18 AM EST
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I thought the quote was "God bless rich people".  

If that's the quote, what happened to the poor people, do they not deserve God's blessing?

It's elitist either way.


by Kiku on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:58:01 AM EST
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For both of you.....


CLINTON: No, I'm not waffling. I'm saying I'm not going to impose additional burdens on middle-class families. And there are a lot of people...

O'REILLY: But I'm not a middle-class family. I'm a rich guy.

CLINTON: Well, and you know what? Rich people, God bless us. We deserve all the opportunities...

O'REILLY: All right.

CLINTON: ...to make sure our country and our blessings continue to the next generation.


O'REILLY: OK. You're going to raise taxes on the wealthy, and that's income redistribution. You know what that is. And income redistribution is why some conservatives don't like you, all right? It's because you take from the wealthy and you give to the less affluent.


CLINTON: Oh, I think that Teddy Roosevelt was a great American...

O'REILLY: So do I.

CLINTON: ...who understood that our country works better when we're all in it together. Now...

O'REILLY: But you're taking and giving. Robin Hood, taking and giving.

CLINTON: ...90 percent of the benefits of income in the last decade have gone to people like us. Income distribution was much broadly dispersed. You were growing up on Long Island. I was growing up outside of Chicago. You know, my dad got up every day. He was a small business man. He worked his head off, but he didn't feel like the deck was stacked against him.

--Emphasis mine

Your attempts to shine this in a negative light is in itself, elitist.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:49:42 AM EST
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I can't speak re: the unmarried... (none / 0)

but neither my wife nor I like Hillary.  Why?  Because she consistently puts herself ahead of her party.  Like Bush she is obsessed w/ acquiring political capital.  Unlike Bush she spends her capital acquiring more political capital.  IMO, since her failure re: healthcare in 92-93 she hasn't demonstrated true leadership.  Most evident in her vote in favor of the Iraq war - she convinced herself that her viability in her planned presidential run depended on that vote.  And I don't care how much mud she slings at Obama - in my eyes she will always be a coward.


by alb on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:20:50 PM EST
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Give that man a great big Kiss! (2.00 / 9)

We love guys who love Hillary!!


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:29:41 PM EST

Re: Give that man a great big Kiss! (2.00 / 5)

I'm a guy who loves Hillary and guess what? Obama may have a nicer personality. Who gives a s***? This is not a Mr Or Mrs America contest. It is about who can win and who can deliver on the democratic agenda.


by NY Writer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:58:38 PM EST
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Re: Give that man a great big Kiss! (2.00 / 1)

The last time the Clintons were in office the democratic party suffered greatly and the Clinton's passed mostly republican-based legislation. Progressive legislation was few and far between, unless you think DOMA, DADT, DMCA, the Telecommunications Act of 1996, etc are all Progressive.

Seriously, what has Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton ever fought for other than their own political lives?

I've watched them both for a very long time after they came to NY in 2000 and after voting for her very enthusiastically during her Senate run. I've seen none of this "fight" you speak of.


by Yalin on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:28:12 PM EST
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Re: Give that man a great big Kiss! (none / 0)

How old are you, exactly?  Because you clearly don't know your history.  You've picked a few pieces of legislation but have neglected far more--like, for instance, the Family Leave Act--and you've ignored the bigger picture.  The economy was far better then than now, the budget was balanced, we were respected in the world, etc. etc. The DADT policy, by the way, was as progressive a policy as Clinton could get passed.  That's what happens when you try to negotiate with Republicans.


by slynch on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:38:25 PM EST
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Re: Give that man a great big Kiss! (none / 0)

I'm 30, going on 31. Had I been a few months older I'd have cast my first vote for Bill Clinton in 1996.

I do know my history, and that's why I'll never waste my vote on a Clinton ever again. I made that mistake once in 2000 with Hillary.

Never again.


by Yalin on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:57:37 PM EST
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Re: Give that man a great big Kiss! (none / 0)

Oh btw, the Family Leave Act was signed into law in February 1993 having been passed by a democratically controlled congress.

What exactly did the Clintons fight for on that one?


by Yalin on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:59:01 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 5)

nice diary and here's hoping many follow suit!


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:29:57 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 1)

"He thinks Hillary can win that fight, and he's seen her take on some tough opponents lately"

May I ask which tough opponents?


by shalca on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:31:06 PM EST

O'Reilly, for instance (2.00 / 4)

And the last debate, which Jake thought she did well with. We both hated the first 45 minutes of tabloid, but he felt like she handled it better than he did.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:49:16 PM EST
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Re: O'Reilly, for instance (none / 0)

Taking on O'Reilly is not the same as taking on world leaders.


by mefck on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:53:44 PM EST
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Re: O'Reilly, for instance (2.00 / 5)

Well when Obama runs crying away from Stephenopoulos and Hillary turns O'Reilley into mush, well, that's saying something.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:51:32 PM EST
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Runs away crying? (none / 0)

He called the flag pin thing a distraction.  Is it not?  Do you really care whether he wears it?

Hillary, on the other had, complained about "always seeming to get the first question" and use an SNL sketch of all things, to play for sympathy.  The Greatest Whiner contest is long over.


by corph on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:23:04 AM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 4)

How about Matthews and Shuster and the other sexist pigs at MSNBC.  How about Olberman knowing how nasty he has been toward her?  How about O'Reilly and Russert?

With the exception of O'Reilly, the other men have mancrushes on Obama and never ask a tough question but see red with Clinton.  I say she handles the nasties pretty well....going back to the 90s.


by Jjc2008 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:42:07 PM EST
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I say Olbermann's been fair to her. (none / 0)

And I'll dispute any quote that claims he's been nasty.

I think she's simply run a nasty, dishonest campaign, and that he's trying to report on it.  Which of course is going to seem nasty to to her fervent supporters.

Mathews is a blowhard who went from Clinton adulation to gender-based mocking of her to something like evenhanded stupid blathering.  Schuster made a dreadful unprofessional statement about Chelsea but he seems to be more of a numbers and process guy to me.

Pumpkinhead is a smug conventional-wisdom gotcha-question specialist who accepts nonresponsive platitudes only on important issues.  His tiresome unsubstantive needling and fake controversy-brewing is not aimed at any particular candidate.


by corph on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:33:08 AM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 1)

You wouldn't classify Obama as tough opponent then. Duh.


by ottovbvs on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:19:14 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 6)

Hillary is unbelievably strong.

Obama has the whole ABH (the whole old white male guard and the gigantic press that hates Hillary) behind him.  He is a very talented politician (to get this far), but make no mistake.  If he didn't have the press (MSNBC, CNN, print press and blogs) behind him, Hillary would have eaten him for breakfast and spit him out for lunch.


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:24:35 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 5)

One vote with a strong reasoning that reaches more, and is as important as our one vote!  EXCELLENT!


by LindaSFNM on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:32:51 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 6)

As a side note, I love your title, it implies you have a husband in every state. But it's cool he switched to Clinton.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:34:07 PM EST

Heh (2.00 / 8)

When I saw that I thought to myself: "Keep working on your North Carolina husband too!"


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:43:52 PM EST
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Re: Heh (2.00 / 4)

I laughed out loud in the office.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:58:10 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 4)

LOL, I hadn't thought of that. I just wanted to note why his switch was important. Because we're Hoosiers! I'll be so proud to have my state go for the great lady.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:47:11 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 5)

Very good story. And congrats!

Honestly I don't think that Obama has accomplished anything that makes him qualified to be President. If he wants to run again he has every right to do so. But he needs something more than experience under his belt, he needs some real accomplishments. If he is truly the person he claims to be then he can demonstrate that leadership in the Senate where he can work wonders and bring the two sides together with his superior magical powers. And if he can really do that rather than just make claims then perhaps I will support him should he run again.


Visit Pagan Power You know you want to!
by Pagan Power on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:34:40 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 3)

I agree.

My friend said that he thinks Obama was as surprised as anyone to have gotten this far. He had a strategy, Pres in 08, gov in 10, or some such thing.

The tragedy for him is that if he loses, it's over for him, as far as president goes. You'll notice that there was no Kerry II, Dukakis II. (Gore, an exception, since they stole the election)


by NY Writer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:10:00 PM EST
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That's not actually true (2.00 / 3)

Bill Clinton was an early runner in '88, IIRC. Also, Reagan ran in '76, won in '80. Obama still has a shot at a later date. He's very young, and he's at the beginning of a national political career. Who knows what 8 or 16 years of national exposure could do to his record and reputation. I've not lost hope for him entirely.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:16:52 PM EST
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Re: That's not actually true (2.00 / 1)

Republicans run again, democrats don't.

IIRC, Bill Clinton didn't run in 1988.  A lot of times those who have come very close to the nomination don't get it the second time the run.  I think it's a rule in politics that if you lose the race as the nominee, you won't run again.  Here in Canada, there is a similar rule.  The exception is when you didn't expect to win (say smaller parties), and you did respectably.


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:29:08 PM EST
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Sometimes they Run, but they Don't Win (2.00 / 3)

Humphrey lost the general in 68, lost in the primaries in 72 (although he did win the popular vote). George Wallace ran in 68, 72 and 76. Scoop Jackson ran in 72 and 76. Jerry Brown ran in 76, 80 and 92. Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson ran in 84, and 88. Gephart ran in 88 and 04. Biden ran in 84 and 08. Gore ran in 88 and 2000. Edwards ran in 04 and 08.

Only Democrats running for the first time won.

In contrast, Nixon lost in 60. Reagan lost in 68, and 76. Bush lost in 80. Dole lost in 88 and won the nomination in 96. McCain lost in 2000 and won the nomination in 2008.

Psychologically, Democrats see a candidate's previous loss as evidence of unelectability. Republicans see a previous second place finish as a badge of honor and a gain in experience.

Although a staunch Democrat, I like the Republican's attitude on this issue better.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:26:40 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (none / 0)

What real accomplishments does Hillary Clinton have under her belt that are not associated with the actual accomplishments of Bill Clinton?

I can speak to them, or the lack thereof, because I live in NY State and voted for her in 2000 when she came to run for the Senate.

Please enlighten.....


by Yalin on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:30:43 PM EST
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Incumbants almost always (none / 0)

run for reelection, so you'll have your chance :)

I hope he can do well enough as president to persuade you to vote for him in 2012.


by corph on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:36:27 AM EST
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Give your hubby (2.00 / 5)

a big fat kiss for me!  It was obviously a difficult decision, but one well thought out.   It's only a matter of time before others take a second look at Obama and come to the same conclusion.  He's really been hurt by the last couple of weeks.


by izarradar on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:38:24 PM EST

Time is key. (none / 0)

How much better off would the US and by extention the world be if Katrina had happened in 2004 instead of 2005?

If Wright had happened in early February, it might have made the difference.  Guilt-by-association manufactured controversies always seem to happen two months too late.  Ah well.  Maybe Wright will say something really stupid around Christmas 2011 and Hillary can contest Obama's renomination then.


by corph on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:40:23 AM EST
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Wow, I didn't expect the response! (2.00 / 5)

So thanks, folks. I just went to prep the chicken for diner and came back to this. Oh, and I promise, kisses and more are in store for my sweet man. :-D

I was just tickled that he'd come so far. It made my day, so I wanted to share it. Thanks.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:46:00 PM EST

Endorsements making headlines today (2.00 / 1)

This diary is such a kick b/c I feel like we should call the AP - "anna belle's Indiana husband switches to Clinton, cancels out Obama's superdelegate gain"

OK need a better headline, but still!

Go Jake GO!


by catfish1 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:44:07 PM EST
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Re: Endorsements making headlines today (2.00 / 1)

LOL! I know. I was thinking that when I was dreaming of the headline. I was thinking of it as a response to Andrews. Sort of like, so what faker, REAL men switch TO Clinton.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:50:18 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 6)

Good for Jake. He has seen what others choose not to see.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:51:21 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 5)

yep this man is a credit to his wife!


by zane on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:55:00 PM EST

Good! I've always said if something is happneing (2.00 / 4)

in my life, or if my attitude changes in some way, it is likely happening to many people out there, and it usually turns out to be true, so just one person changing their minds is enough to make me think there are multiple others thinking the same thing.  A big Welcome to Hillaryland for your husband!!!


DEMOCRATIC 08!
by rigsoHC on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:55:03 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 4)

I managed to do the same with my father. He is an independent, and very active poitically and he somehow decided he was gonna vote McCain. I couldn't let him do it. I dont even think he realizes that he first supported McCain, after he has been activily campaigning for Hillary. Me and my mom laugh at how he could do a 180 and not even remember.


--++++Stay Gold, Ponyboy!++++--
by amde on Thu May 01, 2008 at 03:56:48 PM EST

Great diary! This is how women (2.00 / 4)

"break ceilings" everywhere in the world.  Sad to say, a lone woman coming out of nowhere has little chance to gain the credibility and all-important alliances that any person needs to run for President.  So you see this all over the world, that women who rise to leadership have powerful male allies (usually ... though not always) members of their family.

That's just what it takes for women to overcome the deck that is stacked against them.  It is entirely fair.  Just as fair as any young guy forming alliances with older powerful men, which happens every day without comment.  

Congratulations to your wonderful husband for seeing the light.  :)


by miker2008 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:00:26 PM EST

Re: Great diary! This is how women (2.00 / 3)

BINGO.
The false argument that Hillary needed Bill and men need no one has gotten so tiresome.  The deck has been and remains stacked against women.  Once the ceiling is broken for women, I think it will be easier.
by Jjc2008 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:44:29 PM EST
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Yes, AND the fact that young men (2.00 / 1)

seek older mentors is conveniently forgotten.  No one becomes president (or CEO, or nobel laureate, for that matter) without a network of connections to powerful members of [whatever group].


by miker2008 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 10:52:18 PM EST
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Nice story (2.00 / 6)

I think that, as more folks stop and think, they are beginning to realize that we need Hill right now.  Many people, myself included, believe in the ideas that are contained in Obama's rhetoric.

But rhetoric and reality can be worlds apart.

I'd love to see Hillary supporters put out a series of positive diaries about Hillary's detailed plans in various areas, explaining why they support those plans.  Maybe people are starting to feel as if they have permission to think this through with an open-mind now.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:00:58 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 1)

Obama's too arrogant and introverted to be a good president.  


by karajan72 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:15:55 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (none / 0)

What defines Obama as arrogant and introverted? Which examples?

I can certainly point to examples where Hillary Clinton has been dishonest, lacking in integrity, and only out for her own political needs and nothing else.

Can you do the same with regard to Obama being arrogant and introverted?


by Yalin on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:33:56 PM EST
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If there's one thing Obama (none / 0)

(or any presidential candidate for that matter) is not, it's introverted.  Introverted people hate giving speeches and don't like the spotlight.

I don't see the arrogant part either.


by corph on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:46:55 AM EST
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tactics.... (2.00 / 4)

Right before SC, things changed for me. Once the Jackson Memo was captured in the news, I knew what I was suspecting was right on--the Obama campaign was race-baiting, and denigrating the Clintons in the process.

Originally I just wanted a Democrat to win although I leaned Clinton. The memo was also a turning point for me too. The Wright issue was the last straw.


by soyousay on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:31:07 PM EST

Re: tactics.... (2.00 / 0)

Bill Clinton is a smart man. If he were truly trying to avoid the race issue and talk about how a South Carolina win doesn't necessarily get you the nomination, he could've EASILY pointed to John Edwards' win in 2004.

Why in the world did he go back to 1988 with Jesse Jackson? Seriously.

And I'm sorry, but pointing out the actions of another campaign in a memo does NOT equate to the same thing as the actual race baiting that took place.

Now, given the historical facts that I've pointed out, how do you square Bill Clinton's comments as anything other than race baiting?


by Yalin on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:38:02 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 2)

Its wonderful to know that voters are finally coming to the realization that he cannot win a GE. This sudden surge towards Hillary is not just the results of the Rev Wright flack, but Hillary's determination and tenacity to fight for this nomination. When one sits on their heels like Obama and thinks the nomination if his for the taking, that is when you begin to tumble, as he is doing. Thank your husband for all of us who support Hillary, He made a very courageous and wise decision.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:32:33 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (none / 0)

Do you honestly believe that Hillary Clinton will fight as hard for democratic issues as she's fighting for her own campaign?

Because, honestly, her career in the Senate and Bill Clinton's tenure as President say otherwise.

Note: I'm a native NYer who enthusiastically voted for Hillary Clinton in 2000 when she ran for the Senate. I also would've voted for Bill Clinton in 1996 had I been old enough.

But I turned 18 too late in the year to register for that election.


by Yalin on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:39:32 PM EST
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As to your question (none / 0)

I have plenty of anecdotal evidence that says no.  When petitioned about things like stopping a the construction of a chemical plant on the Hudson, she gave a reassuring press release, then did nothing.  After the local activists got it stopped on their own, she swooped in with a video clip extolling how "we all fought this together".

In other words, she's much more diligent on making sure she gets credit for good deeds than actually doing the work.


by corph on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:56:18 AM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 3)

Fantastic story.

The great thing about these pieces of real life narratives is that social/political phenomena have a tendency to replicate.  If Obama's naive and amateur handling of his roadblocks has given pause to your husband, it has likely done the same for thousands or millions of voters.  

Rec'd.


Young lifelong Democrat. One of over 3,000,000 voters who kicked McCain and Palin out of Pennsylvania, permanently.
by BPK80 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:38:40 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 2)

Hey Jake! Welcome to Team Hillary!


by cc on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:45:33 PM EST

Oh wow! My first recomended diary! (2.00 / 2)

w00t! I can't wait to tell Jake!


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 04:45:36 PM EST

Re: Oh wow! My first recomended diary! (2.00 / 5)

That's because it's a true story from the heart, the best possible kind of diary!

Congrats. to you and hubby.

Thanks for sharing the experience.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:10:00 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 3)

Nice diary, thanks for sharing.  I'm glad Jake came around to see your side of things. ;)


by Montague on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:11:49 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 7)

Your diary is a very highly recommended diary. It's also a very good diary. And of course what would a diary be without someone accusing you of making it up?

As for the person I just gave a Zero: Don't call out other diarists by name. Don't accuse someone of lying. Your sadistic attempt to dampen the spirits of someone with their first recommended diary: Just the same old cruelty that human beings engage in.


by Jeter on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:15:56 PM EST

I like Jake but you ain't seen nothin' (2.00 / 7)

My wife and I have been opposing and active supporters in New Hampshire since about last May when I made my first phone calls for Hillary.

I am sure she is making calls for Obama tonight while I stay at work and use the office line to make calls for Hillary.

If we're talking come November I'll be glad.


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:16:07 PM EST

Re: I like Jake but you ain't seen nothin' (2.00 / 2)

Oh, I do feel your pain. Late February and much of March was pretty tense around here, especially with me outnumbered two to one.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 06:44:05 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (none / 0)

I didn't know we were suppossed to vote for the person who had a better chance of winning. Talk about throwing your vote away. In your husbands mind he can't stand the Clinton lies. What does he think of her seeking out Reverend Wright's advice when Bill was cheating on her? Probably nothing, because he probably knows anything about that, he's only looking at the odds.


John McCain: Everyones nowhere man
by johnny sexton on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:22:03 PM EST

Well... yes. (2.00 / 1)

Would you rather get some of what you want, or none of what you want?

Some people call it triangulation.  I call it smart decision-making.


by cjbardy on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:54:35 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 2)

Awseome~~~~


by alright on Thu May 01, 2008 at 05:49:05 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 3)

I hope this scene is being played over and over again in Indiana, North Carolina and Oregon.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:13:25 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 3)

Wow what a great diary. I managed to get my republican husband to vote for Kerry in 2004 (he voted Bush in 2000) but I am not sure I can get him to go for Hillary. Though he is convinced that Obama can't win in November against McCain. He doesn't like the whole family thing Bush Clinton Bush /Clinton and in theory neither do I. In practice I am of the mind that it does take another Clinton to clean up after a Bush. You give me hope that I may win yet!

I just want to make the point that if race isn't supposed to enter into and be important in this election then it boils down to just another choice between a man or a woman. Speaking as a woman Hillary  wins every time. And men shoudl think of the possibilites that open up for their daughters if a woman becomes president of the US.


by Bornagaindem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:24:52 PM EST

Just another choice (none / 0)

between a man and a woman?  Are you implying gender is the all-important feature of a candidate?  Geez, it's a good thing Russ Feingold and Condoleeza Rice won't be facing off in the general this fall.

As to the "possibilities for the daughter" argument, which I've seen in many places, I don't understand it.  No one's daughter's aspirations is dependant on Hillary Clinton becoming President.  Would it not be best if the first female president weren't the wife of a popular ex-president?  Wouldn't it be better if she rises to the presidency more like the way Obama has?


by corph on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:05:45 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 4)

My wife is a non-citizen and can't vote.  I was supporting Edwards and thought when he dropped out I might go to Obama.

After little thought I decided on Clinton, just before the California primary.

When my wife found out I would be voting for Hillary she said, "don't feel obligated because of me".

I told her, "I think your support of Hillary convinced me she's the best candidate".

To put it nicely, my wife was pleased and life has been great at our house ever since.


by wblynch on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:29:28 PM EST

Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 1)

Wow, that's a great story wblynch! I liked bornagaindem's too, ftr. Jake and I have joked for a while about what this primary must be doing to Democratic marriages across America, but the response to this diary really brings it into relief for me. Glad to know we weren't alone.

I think in the end, part of Jake's decision is that he trusts my political judgment as well. I've been so right and he's been so wrong since we've been together (I mean politically, of course!), that he really had to consider what I had to say. And I'm not a polemic when it comes to an opportunity to have a real political discussion about differences (though I can GET polemic in the face of an a-hole).  


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:40:02 PM EST
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Re: My Indiana Husband Switches to Clinton! (none / 0)

My spouse voted for Clinton in an early primary and now regrets it.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:42:42 PM EST

Switches to Clinton! (2.00 / 2)

I know a from Obama to Hillary switch too, and that guy had high neg's on Hillary and high praise for Barack.  When Barack started getting specific, he switched to Hillary.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:49:22 PM EST

Wow, anna belle! It sure looks as if you (2.00 / 5)

have hit a raw nerve with some Obama supporters. I've never handed out so many TR's and HR's in one diary. Yep, it's very classy for some of the supporters of the hope and unity, "we can disagree without being disagreeable" candidate to come in here and piss all over your wonderful, personal diary because the thing they fear the most may be starting to happen. Thankfully, most Obama supporters are not like this, but the ones that go there, go there with a vegenance. Once your husband reads this diary, and some of the despicable comments lashing out at you, he'll wonder why he didn't switch sooner.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:59:26 PM EST